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Log file opened: 9/9/96 9:15:02 PM CDT
<Sue> Wot I mean is - unless you are here it's hard to know the scene
<Mez> How is "Love and Other C's" doing in the Us?
<Novice> shaun--i'm not sure how to define what I mean. a bit camp, maybe?
<Mez> EEk US?
<shaun> I think you're right about the festivals, but look at our selections at Cannes this year - Love Serenade and The quiet room didn't even get a look in at the AFI awards
<Marg> yes david, also to do with distribution deals and connections. Miramax was involved in picking up some of them, but from Cannes I think
<Jeremy> Who chooses which Aus films go to Cannes?
<shaun> So I think there are certain films that are more succesful in the festival curcuit - but not in circulation generally
<david> Aren't they selected by the festival?
<clint> Anything cool, Miramax picks up
<Marg> i love that about them clint
<Sue> I just read Trainspotting was redubbed by Miramax for US release
<clint> Me too
<Jeremy> Does the purchase of Miramax by Disney signal a change in what Miramax will pick up?
<scott> david, I think you also have to have the money to bring it there.
<shaun> Novice, camp is probably right. We've had a vit of a run on camp. I think we're moving on
<david> Trainspotting partly redubbed, to slow down the dialogue.
<Jeremy> So the camp/gay sensibility in Aus films was just a trend?
<Novice> Is trainspotting an australian film? that's out here in chicago.
<Jeremy> Is there a history of it in Aus films?
<david> Scottish.
<Sue> Sahun - except for those who think camp is related to post-colonial idenitity crises
<shaun> Camp as trend? I think so
<Jeremy> Sue: How does colonialism connect with camp?
<clint> I highly doubt that Miramax will go to cartoons or family entertainment
<Karen> No, Jeremy, although Lou Reed thought it was when he allowed some of his music to be used on the soundtrack
<Jeremy> Or rather: how does the END of colonialism connect?
<Sue> Actually - there are Canadian writings on camp in Canadian films as the same post-colonial crisis
<Jeremy> Interesting...
<Karen> Sorry, I meant that for Novice
<Novice> sue, shaun: are these films being made by gay filmmakers, or is camp as a style being taken up by the trendy?
<Sue> Jeremy - it's about `performing nationality and gender for onlookers
<Novice> sue--what's the cite on that?
<scott> So, the camp style is just another way to differentiate national identity?
<Jeremy> Sue: A construction of "the other"?
<Sue> Judith Butler has a lot to answer for - but she's the source - and articles - I have a few.
<Sue> Avtually Jeremy - I think it's a construction of the self for the other
<Novice> butler on national identity? i haven't seen that.
Mez wants to go tangent onto whether any of the American chatters have seen "Crash" yet....?
<shaun> I'm thinkin that Priscilla really had nothing to say about gender at all
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<shaun> Hi zoe, how are you?
<Sue> One article I have is called re Priscilla "A cock on a rock in a frock"
<Novice> my my.
<Zoe> fine thanks Shaun.. hello everyone!
<GlennM> Hi Zoe
<Sue> Nivice - no Butler on gender - but the performance aspect has slipped over into nationality - Hi everybody!
<scott> Zoe, it's an elevator free zone today.
<Novice> sue--so this article is drawing on Butler, not written by her then?
<Zoe> do'h!
<shaun> What is Crash?
<Sue> Novice - right - Irving Goffman and "The Presentation of Self" might have been another source if we got back to basics.
<clint> Yes, what is Crash?
<david> What Clint said.
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<Mez> Crash is the new Cronenberg film..
<Marg> Sue:I'm interested in the ways this performance of national identity work in other places
<shaun> How many people in the US have seen much OZ television?
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<clint> AAAAHHHHHH
<Marg> I saw Priscilla here and in the US
<Marg> completely different things
<Novice> weird, i just got booted off. anyone else?
<Novice> marg--how so?
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<shaun> Novice, maybe you offended someone....??
<david> Hi Kate!
<Sue> Crocodile Dundee was re-cut for the US audience -
<shaun> Hi there Kate...anything to say?
<Marg> some of priscilla was clearly for an international reading of Australia
<Marg> the landscape shots
<Sue> Marg - dran right
<Jeremy> I should mention that U Alabama (where SCREENchat is based) has been having trouble with its Internet connection all day.
<Sue> Oops darn
Jeremy crosses his fingers.
<clint> Croc Dundee should have been simply CUT
Jeremy crosses his toes.
<Marg> a performance of camp performance
<Karen> Priscilla really was a film made for international release,
<Marg> and some of the *jokes* were for there not here
<Sue> Anybody seen the US "To Wong Foo"? remake
<Jeremy> Fr'instance, Marg?
<Novice> oh, that's interesting. has the american version made it australia?
<Karen> combining two of Australia's greatest tourist attraction - The gay culture (related to Mardis Gras) and the outback
<Glenda> Was Strictly Ballroom also made for international release?
<Novice> sue--great minds think alike
<Jeremy> Aus has a Mardi Gras tradition?
<Sue> Novice - Yes - but I've not deigned to see it!
<Marg> exactly Karen
<scott> Jeremy, a huge one.
<shaun> For sure Jeremy
<Novice> sue--i've been afraid to watch it myself! although i've heard it wasn't AS wretched as one might expect
<GlennM> I think the Australian Tourism Commission really loved Priscilla in the same way they loved Croc Dundee; great adverts for Aust- i visited Kings Canyon last month where P was shot & its beauty is breathtaking!!!
<shaun> It is wretched novice
<Sue> Novice - they never are -
<Novice> I also didn't know about mardi gras in aus.
<Karen> I don't mean literally, administratively for int release, I just mean that they played on Australia's popular touristy things
<david> You can visit the buffalo from Croc Dundee in Northern Territory.
<clint> Can you sit on it
<shaun> I agree, Australia has never looked so good as in Priscilla
<Novice> is there much going on in australia about pacific rim culture--
<Jeremy> Marg: If I could return to a point of yours: Can you think of jokes in PRISCILLA that were designed for an international audience?
<shaun> sorry, novice, but we're only on the rim of it
<Novice> i have a friend writing her diss about an intercultural theatre company in (I think)Darwin
<Jeremy> I'd be curious to see the difference between what plays in Aus and what plays abroad.
<Marg> sorry Jeremy, distracted for a second, and of course trying to remember exactly
<Marg> those who know me know I have no memory
<shaun> Jeremy - what about the ping pong balls, not a particularly OZ joke that one
<Marg> but I do remember being the only one laughing at many points during the US screening
<GlennM> Marg: that simply is NOT true- the memory thing I mean!!!
<Marg> and then finding it strange when I was the only one *not* laughing
<Sue> Sunday Too Far Away had the same kinds of low humour
<Jeremy> Ping pong is not big in Oz?
<Marg> quite disconcerting
<Kate> I saw Priscilla in Canada and had the exact same experience
<Marg> yes, the ping pong balls
<shaun> What with the ping pong thing??
<shaun> I like ping pong
<david> I play ping pong in my garage
Jeremy shines up his ping pong paddle.
<clint> not me; no contact
<Jeremy> Who's serve is it?
<shaun> i like to play it in pubs
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<GlennM> Friends & comrades: I have to go now. see you next time
<david> How about a world wide game of ping pong
<shaun> it's already heppening
<clint> Who serves?
<Jeremy> Hey, I wonder if that's connected with the PP scene in FOREST GUMP?
<shaun> I'm asking this again
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<shaun> Any americans know much about our tv product
<Marg> do we make tv?
<Jeremy> Good point, Shaun. I think there was some Aus women's prison TV show distributed in the US.
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<Novice> Australian TV? nope.
<shaun> sometimes, but usually only for export
<Karen> PRISONER???
<Sue> Halifax fp as Australia's answer to Prime Suspect
<Vanessa> howdy people, this is Vanessa typing from the Internet cafe in Sydney, its my first time so please dont bite
<Jeremy> Welcome, Vanessa!
<david> Paradise Beach?
<shaun> Gibney could never be a Mirren
<Novice> hi vanessa. my first time too
<Glenda> shaun: I don't know a thing about your tv product. Do you recommend it?
<Zoe> a person in america told me she secretly watched neighbours.
<GB> hi vanessa glad to see you made it
<david> Shaun, my thoughts exactly
<Marg> it waould have to be very seecret, I didn't see it there
<shaun> Well yeah Glenda - gotta say I like it
<clint> Neighbors, in what sense?
<Novice> sadly i must return to writing my dissertation now. this live chat thing is great though!
<Zoe> i think she had a huge satellite.. not sure.
<shaun> good luck novice
<Karen> bye Novice, thanks for the chat
<Sue> Neighbours as in Australia's greatest export soap
<Kate> Neighbours was on briefly, but pulled again
<shaun> I think Heartbreak High is now sue
<Karen> in USA, Kate?
<Glenda> Glad to hear it, Shaun. That may explain why it doesn't get much exposure here.
<Kate> Neighbours fared slightly better in Canada
<Jeremy> Are Mexican soaps played in Aus?
<shaun> maybe Flying Doctors
<Sue> It's more successful in Russia than in the US
<clint> Sue, thanks for the clarity
<Novice> um, dumb question--how do i disconnect, other than quitting explorer?
Mez is tempted to sing a few bars of the Neighbours theme song...but restrains herself...
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<Novice> thanks! g'night
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<Karen> only via the Simpsons
<Karen> Jeremy
<Jeremy> Yes, Karen?
<Kate> Apparently the US TV market is especially resistant to non US product
<Karen> it's just that I meant that last message for you
<Jeremy> Yeah, even more so than US film.
<clint> Absolutely,Karen
<scott> Following on from Kate, I think Neighbours got a limited release in the Californian market.
<Kate> The rumour goes that US audiences won't deal with "foreign accents"
<Zoe> pride and prejudice was nominated for a few emmys last night.
<Marg> I saw quite a few Docos made by us in the US(shark stuff), and Beyond 2000
<clint> Depends on the audience, Karen
<Kate> Zoe, interesting to see Helen Mirren up there
<david> Helen Mirren and Alan Rickman won Emmys
<Zoe> dead chuffed, she was!
<Jeremy> Is BEYOND 2000 an Aus product?
<shaun> did it win zoe÷
<Marg> chuffed
<Zoe> nope shaun...
<Sue> Did the X-Files win anything except best episode and guest actor?
<shaun> Yes Jeremy
<Karen> Kate, we've just been informed that Trainspotting has been dubbed for US release
<Kate> And Greta Scacchi won, but silently
<shaun> What about Frasier winning best comedy!
<scott> My parents, who live in Michigan, love Beyond 2000.
<Karen> Sorry, clint, what do you mean about the audience?
<shaun> I'm outraged. It's not funny at all
<GB> What X-Files episode won best episode?
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<clint> Karen, I think it depends on the individual, such as myself
<Sue> Kelsey Grammar playing himself you mean Shaun?
<shaun> Yeah
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<Marg> it's very odd to stumble across Beyuond 2000 over there, hearing the aus accent amongst all of the US voices
<clint> Example: Tim Roth is an incredible actor, but without his accent, he's nothing
<Marg> makes it painfully aware how little other voices are heard there
<shaun> science is a universal language, marg
<Marg> er obvious
<Marg> something
<Sue> Shaun- I actually read his autobiography in horrified fascinationand couldn't stop wincing.
<Mez> Clint>>have to diaagree with u there, I think Roth's acting ability transends his accents..
<Jeremy> BEYOND 2000 runs on a cable channel here and I'll bet there'd be a market for an International Channel in the US IF it were limited to English-speaking products.
<shaun> enough with the Grammar - everyones bummed out at some stage
<shaun> Interesting that John Larroquette is not popular here
<Jeremy> After all, the US A&E channel is heavily dependent upon English films/programs.
<Zoe> i love him!!
<shaun> Very funny show, but a hot potato with our networks
<Marg> yes come to think of it, er remember it, there's a lot of British TV on PBS too
<shaun> can't seem to find a regular timeslot here
<Marg> and there I guess there's a conflation of British with Quality?
<shaun> I liked the episode about writing - very apt to me
<scott> PBS is rife (or was) with Brit. product.
<Kate> Marg, what's wrong with that conflation?
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<Marg> er.. nothing
<Jeremy> Does Aus not share that conflation with quality that Brit product does in the US?
<Marg> just interesting, I guess we do it here too, mainly showing US stuff commercially, and putting the Poms on ABC
<Jeremy> I think most Americans cannot tell a Brit accent from an Aus one.
<shaun> I think it does Jeremy
<GB> there was a letter to the sydney morning herald this morning which went on about British tv being quality tv in comparison with the aus stuff. Sounded like a very picky pom.
<Sue> Jeremy - that is true
<Marg> most airline workers can't
<shaun> Maybe most Americans are stupid
<Kate> In the Brit market Aus is conflated with poor quality
<shaun> That's not fair Kate
<shaun> Or true
<Jeremy> Does Aus have an equivalent of Channel 4?
<Sue> GB - those `quality'arguments make me foam at the mouth
<Jeremy> A TV channel that does risky stuff?
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<Kate> Shaun it's based on the Huge Moral Panic about British kids watching Neighbours and learning to talk in Australian accents
<GB> sue- i couldn't agree more
<Kate> Plus a book of three Neighbours scripts briefly appeared on the school English syllabus
<shaun> I think there's a lot to be said for the cultural invasion of a Charlene
<Kate> And the establishment rose in fury to the defense of Shakespeare
<Jeremy> Charlene?
<Kate> It was discussed in parliament ...
<shaun> Kylie Minogue's character in Neighbours, Jeremy
<shaun> Very ocker - a mechanic
<Kate> Jeremy, you must have got Kylie Minogue after Neighbours, which might have been a bit mystifying
<Zoe> Kylie ain't big in the US. thank god!
<david> And terrifying
<scott> Yes, the locomotion song.
<richman> the English don't want people reading about scandal that doesn't directly involve the monarchy.
<Karen> or politicians
<clint> Let's forget the Locomotion song, shall we?
<shaun> I think Minogue is our biggest cultural export - stop knocking her
<Zoe> she's asked for it , shaun
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<shaun> I can't it's in my head
<Karen> go Zo!
<Sue> Nah - Bananas in Pyjamas are Australia's biggest cultural export
<scott> Just becAuse she is a big export doesn't mean she's good.
<shaun> Don't go there with me Zoe
<clint> Remove it please b/c now its getting in mine
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<GB> Prisoner must still be playing on some tv screens around the world
<scott> B1 & B2, our cultural ambassadors!
<Karen> YESSSS
<Sue> GB Try everywhere
<shaun> not here gb - it just got axed
<Sue> The soap that will not die
<Karen> thank god
<Jeremy> GlendaW sez: B in PJs plays in syndication in the US. My son goes crazy watching it.
<shaun> Long live the froth
<richman> are B1 and B2 the breakfast food equivalents of Beavis and Butthead?
<shaun> Nice point richman
<Sue> Yup but more phallic than anal
<shaun> a nice and dangerous supplement
<Karen> Sue, you have our computer lab in hysterics
<Jeremy> GlendaW: Toys R Us sells stuff B1/B2 in the US...
<shaun> I know - I'm getting strange looks
<Jeremy> Er, that's STUFFED B1/B2
<shaun> i should be so lucky
<shaun> lucky
<shaun> lucky
<scott> lucky
<shaun> lucky
<Sue> Shaun get off the Kylie thing
<Jeremy> I think we get the point.
<Mez> ?me thinks that's one to many lucky's
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<Sue> (it was the echo)
<scott> We just had a minor fight for the room.
<shaun> we get lucky in Australia - the lcky country
<shaun> that should've said lucky country oops
<richman> instead of Kylie, come and let us talk of Nicole Kidman
<GB> the lcky country???
<Sue> Oh why??
<clint> Ahh yes , nicole!!!
<shaun> Nicole and Tome are our royal family
<Vanessa> is that icky country or lucky without a u shaun?
<shaun> lucky lucky lucky
<Kate> How is Nicole perceived in America? As Australian?
<clint> Tom is lucky, lucky, lucky!!
<Zoe> Mrs Tom Cruise, no doubt
<GB> Has the Portrait of a Lady been released anywhere yet?
<richman> She is perceived as Australian and beautiful.
<david> I heard the royal family want Nicole to play Fergie
<Kate> I remember Tom going on about her being an Aussie at some point
<Sue> Anyone seen Nicole's first BMX Bandits?
<shaun> Festival release at Venice?
<Marg> of course she was born in Hawaii
<Jeremy> Hey folks! We have just set a SCREENchat record: 20 chatters at once!
<Mez> The latest in tabloid gos i've heard is the dear Tom is a scientologist...anyone care to ratify this?
<Jeremy> Watch us grow!
<Marg> yoohoo
<GB> Does that count?
<Kate> I think the first Nicole thing I saw was Emerald City
<Karen> P of a L is being premiered at the Venice film festival this week, I think
<Sue> She was great in Vietnam - the Kenedy Miller mini series
<Marg> he's very much a scientologist
<scott> Yes, he is rife with scientology!
<shaun> So is she
<Kate> Jane Campion is reported as saying that if P of L isn't popular, well, there are other kinds of cinema for those mainstream audiences
<Marg> and there's much more goss to be had about the Kidmans
<Kate> I think her elitism is starting to show ....
<shaun> I'm with Marg - the goss I've heard.
<Zoe> do tell guys
<richman> She's still mad at herself for being in "Malice"
<shaun> Who Kate - Kidman or Campion
<Sue> Campion always was in a modernist avant-garde
<GB> Did she ever say what she thought was mainstream cinema?
<Kate> Campion. And is Campion an Australian?
<richman> Kidman
<Scotchman> Scientology, laying of hands, 10% of your income , everything
<Helen> their relationship is being compared with David Copperfield's and claudia Schiffer's - mutually bebeficial, non-sexual etc
<Kate> GB, no she didn't. I'm guessing ID4 would fit the bill.
<Sue> Campion is new Zealand
<Karen> No, Kate, NZ
<clint> So what
<shaun> Been through that kate - we claimed her because of her success
<Sue> ID4 ID4!
<shaun> so what what?
<GB> No Campion was born in NZ but trained in Aus. So when she does well she's claimed by both countries
<Kate> So does the US get to claim Kidman?
<shaun> Do they really wanr her
<clint> I do
<Sue> Just saw ID4 - as Wolcott says the film that has no subtext but is composed of ubertext
<shaun> Well I suppose at a pinch...
<Jeremy> Ricky sez: When ID4 promos ra